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Old 12-17-2012, 05:51 PM   #21
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Assault weapons must be banned. The insanity of guns is out of control.

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Old 12-17-2012, 06:48 PM   #22
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If I hear one more person explain to me that it's people not guns that kill people,...I'm gonna scream > "it's people using guns that are killing people!" Why do we HAVE to have assualt weapons for sale at all? In Alaska these guys have rapid fire weapons, and I'm thinking, well, you could shoot the legs out from under a moose,...maybe. Otherwise, why? If ya can't control guns, then at least limit the bullets!
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:05 PM   #23
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I'd welcome correction on this, but to my knowledge, the rifle used in Newton was a semi-automatic .223 without an expanded clip. IOW, it would fire a single bullet each time that the trigger was pulled.

It probably would not have been covered under an assault weapon ban. I could not characterize it as an assault rifle, regardless of it's appearance.
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:52 PM   #24
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I read that Lanza had tried to buy a weapon recently but when he was told about the background check by the store employee, he cancelled his order.

On Saturday we had a mall shooting in Newport Beach. The gunman fired more than 50 rounds at shoppers, using a semiautomatic handgun, but he fired in the air and didn't wound anyone, thankfully. He was caught and booked into an Orange County jail. His firearm permit expired in 2001.

There's got to be a difference between a gunman who, purposely and with premeditation, kills other people, and one who doesn't appear to want to harm anyone but must be seeking attention or releasing anger. Maybe the anger is not as extreme in the latter. I wonder if we'll ever know. When I moved, I found an old Time magazine from the VA Tech shootings, and an article in which Cho was profiled. The author stated that he believes rampant narcissism is behind these types of mass murderers. It seems as if it must be a lot more than that.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:27 AM   #25
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All the more reason for gun control with assault weapons of mass destruction.

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Old 12-18-2012, 07:07 AM   #26
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When I hear the term 'assault rifle', I think of weapons that will fire more than one round per trigger pull. The rifle that Manza used does not fit into this category. The terms 'semi automatic' ( often just 'automatic') denote weapons who do not require a hammer pull to fire. IOW, one bullet fires per trigger pull.

The same Bushmaster rifle that Lanza used is also used for training purposes:
http://www.odcmp.com/NM/AdHPClinic.htm

Indeed, we do not yet know which weapons did the damage in Newton -- the rifle or the handguns.

I could see a ban on guns that use clips for reloading. I could also see a ban on thirty , sixty, or one hundred round clips. It won't stop the carnage, but it may slow it down. BTW, liberalized carry laws appear to have an effect on the rate of violent crime.

The last 'assault weapons' ban outlawed various models by named manufacturers. The manufacturers simply renamed their models. Even if the rifle that Lanza used had been outlawed, he might have just shown up with more hand guns.

The right is now proclaiming that the answer is more weapons. They have the element of a point. There is an armed cop in every NYC school. I haven't heard of any mass shootings in those schools. OTH, the armed guard at Columbine exchanged fire with Ryan and Dillon, to no avail.

I could well wonder how many teachers showed up at work this morning packing.

The gun is here to stay. It is part and parcel of American culture. The only question is how and what we will do to control it.
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The right is now proclaiming that the answer is more weapons. They have the element of a point. There is an armed cop in every NYC school. I haven't heard of any mass shootings in those schools. I could well wonder how many teachers showed up at work this morning packing.
An element of a point but still really disturbing. On Sunday, Rep Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said on Fox News, of Sandy Hook Principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the attack: "I wish to God she had an M4 in her office, locked up, so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out...and takes him out and takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids." So every administrator will now need his/her own gun? Also, as many have pointed out, the tragedy and irony of Lanza's mother being killed by the very weapons she thought would protect her is just disheartening.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:05 PM   #28
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Hi everyone.. it is hard to fathom and digest such a tragedy. As a parent of a 6, 8, and 12 year old, I was very sad, hugged my kids when they got home. My thoughts and prayers to all the families who suffered from senseless acts of violence. I just hope as a nation that we can find a remedy to this problem.
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More guns are not the answer. Arming teachers is not the answer. There needs to be more gun control of assault weapons or other similar weapons and some way to deal with mental health issues that have been ignored for too long in our society.

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Old 12-19-2012, 01:37 AM   #30
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It has become a way of life in USA. Every other month there are headlines of another shooting/killing rampage somewhere in a mall, theater, school, church, temple, college, university. You hear and read all kinds of views and opinions in the news, tv. Outpour of condolences and sympathy for the deceased and their families. Media will be running mile a minute for weeks and months and then it will be back to the same thing as if nothing happened. All these pundits, gurus, socialists, psychiatrists, psychologists, experts will over-analyzed the situation and then phoof. Everything and everyone is calm until another shooting rampage. As long as it is not there child, family member or a friend, life goes back to normal.
Seems like there are more talkers than the doers. It seems as if it has been accepted as a norm and nobody can do anything about it. So sad.

Where is the younger generation of America. Tell them to take out their earplugs and stop their fingers texting and open their eyes and mouth and do the talking. Talk to your city's mayor, governors and other politicians and tell them that they don't want to be another stat in a shooting rampage. Make them listen. That is why you elected them.
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