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Old 12-16-2012, 05:00 PM   #11
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Re: At an *elementary* school???
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So ... what could have prevented this tragedy? A gun safe.
Why would his mother not have locked up her guns if she knew that her son was unstable? Okay, maybe we don't know what she knew. My mom said she watched Meet the Press this morning and that Lanza was kicked out of Sandy Hook Elementary School. There had to be signs. I'm sure we'll find out more soon.

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From what I just read, the shooter appeared to be after his mother....and all those little five year olds who happened to be in her classroom were victims as well?
This info is so far off....can't the media just print nothing initially unless they know it's accurate? Lanza's mother wasn't even employed by the school.

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Old 12-16-2012, 05:21 PM   #12
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I can not watch any more coverage about this killer. I understand he may have had mental health issues... I almost don't want to care.

Yesterday I read a bit from a survivor of Columbine, to paraphrase... everyone knows the name of the killers at Columbine, but no one can name any of the victims.

What I am reading about is the victims, and what their lives were like. 6 year olds. It just makes me so Damon angry.
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:09 PM   #13
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Written by a mother whose son had severe mental health problems:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...6pLid%3D246517
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:21 PM   #14
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Hi 2nd --

I said it much less artfully earlier.

"However, I'd also be curious to know if this guy ever raised any flags in the mental health system. And if anyone, anywhere, ever cross-referenced his mental health with his gun ownership."

There are plenty of gun control laws. Many are under funded and unfunded. OTH, the mental health system has been largely defunded. In the 70's, I used to volunteer at the large mental health facility in Elgin, Illinois. Today, that facility is all but closed. The residents were put out on the street or, if they were violent, into the prison system.

Lisa Long, in your link, is quite correct. There is no real safety net out there for mental illness.

Perhaps there will be now.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:09 AM   #15
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Keeping the weapons locked up or disabled always helps and will stop most misuse but as we all know, if someone is determined to break into something they usually can find a way.

Two of mine have factory locks built into them. It takes a special type of key to unlock them and to disable the lock one has to take the weapons apart completely to get to the release. Many know how to break down a weapon for cleaning but not how to disassemble the inner working or the trigger housing assembly.

For the others I use standard locks that yes, can be broken with a good set of bolt cutters so the ammo for those and some of the weapons themselves are stored in a 70 pound combination safe that has 3.5 inch walls. Also, when I leave my house the room(s) where any the weapons and ammo are located are locked.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:57 AM   #16
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This info is so far off....can't the media just print nothing initially unless they know it's accurate? Lanza's mother wasn't even employed by the school.
A group of friends that meets for dinner once every 6 weeks or so was at our house for New Mexican food on Saturday night. One of the group teaches journalism at a local community college. He noted that the story was still developing and every "fact" that comes out should be taken with a big grain of salt. He says the way this story has been coming out is very typical for a story like this one, and is driven by the desire to be the first with "breaking news." Just the nature of the beast. And it's gotten worse with the advent of 24/7 reporting and networking of all kinds--blogs, etc.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:03 PM   #17
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I wonder why so many people think of stockpiling guns in the event of a breakdown in society and widespread insurrection. Not me. My thoughts are to stockpile gold instead--that ageless means of exchange. I figure with gold there would be a chance of buying our way out of trouble. So far I have my old wedding ring for my stockpile.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:43 PM   #18
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Blue --

You've obviously never seen "Red Dawn", neither the original with Patrick swayze and Jennifer Gray, nor the 2012 remake, nor the porn movie of the same name.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:35 PM   #19
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Wolverines!! I forget--there was gold used in the story?

To bring it back a bit to the theme here---have the movies, video games, etc. become such a part of what young people grow up with that they're numbed and desensitized to the devastation that guns can cause?
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:08 PM   #20
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Hi Blue --

Did you notice that the release of the new Tom Cruise movie "jack reacher" has been delayed? The same thing happened to an Anauld Schartzenegger movie around 9/11.

There is some anecdotal evidence linking violent crime to violent video games and movies. However, it is anecdotal, at best.

I think that 2nd's link to the Liza Long story may be more relevant. The only way that her child could get treatment was if he committed a crime.
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