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Old 07-08-2011, 04:38 PM   #11
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I don't think this too will pass. That's the problem. Every presidential ADMIN passes the buck and the debt issue along to the next president. No one single group, entitlement program, pension, income bracket should be exempt from contributing to the debt issue, because the debt issue will lower the US dollar value, unless we address it.

Look at Greece.

Why the GOP thinks that the 2% richest Americans deserve extending their tax loopholes. They should count their blessings that they have the services, security, opportunities they receive in the USA. Why single out the most vulnerable to sacrifice their ability to survive? Have you seen the billions in Foreign country subsidy?

Time will tell.
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Old 07-08-2011, 05:00 PM   #12
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lexi --

It will pass. It may take a wheelbarrow of cash to buy a loaf of bread. The dollar may crumble. The American Empire may end. We could all be speaking Chinese by this time next year.

However, it will most certainly pass. All things do.

To directly address your point, here's an exercise. Find out how much the US actually pays in foreign aid.
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:16 AM   #13
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It's a real dumb game of chicken my party is playing on this issue.

I'm really puzzled: Why are rank and file Republicans driving toward the sea like lemmings (including many in Congress who are not particularly wealthy), racing to the tune of the super rich who are happy with low taxes and an unemployed workforce from which they can cherry-pick?
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:39 AM   #14
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It's a real dumb game of chicken my party is playing on this issue.

I'm really puzzled: Why are rank and file Republicans driving toward the sea like lemmings (including many in Congress who are not particularly wealthy), racing to the tune of the super rich who are happy with low taxes and an unemployed workforce from which they can cherry-pick?
This whole tea party thing has me puzzled. The rank and file tea-partiers are supporting things that ARE NOT in their best interests at all. For instance, putting more of burden of supporting the country on the lower and middle classes, doing nothing about unemployment. The eagleman who has a PhD in political economics says that the people behind it are throwing some red meat to the lower classes to get their buy-in (like abortion, no stem cell research, supporting capital punishment). The truly conspiratorial part of my brain thinks that the wealthy backers of the tea party want just what you said - a large unemployed class so they can pick and choose their workers and NO unions to protect workers' rights, a large underclass who they can use as soldiers (remember the defense department's budget is being raised, while the social services are being cut and an end to abortions would likely increase the poor). It's a scary and paranoid thought, I know.
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Old 07-09-2011, 06:17 PM   #15
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Playing Chicken

That sums up just about the whole damn bunch of them lately. While that political gambit has been a standard forever, it's time to switch to some other political game. This one is not good for us and produces nothing.
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Old 07-14-2011, 10:15 AM   #16
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RT, thanks for explaining this in what my high school biology teacher used to label "Dick and Jane Language." I assume that it's not a good idea about Mitch McConnell's proposal that Congress be removed from the debate and the power to raise the debt limit be given to Obama. (Or maybe I need more explanation in simple terms.)
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:38 AM   #17
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Hi 2nd --

Thank you.

"I assume that it's not a good idea about Mitch McConnell's proposal that Congress be removed from the debate and the power to raise the debt limit be given to Obama."

Quite frankly, I think that it was an act of statesmanship by McConnell. He offered something unpopular with his own party to get them of the dime. Obama has already said that he would veto any temporary measure, like McConnell's.

A good explanation:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-for-deal.html

BTW, has anyone else noticed how quickly Congress has been to delegate power to Obama? I thought that they had been elected to do the exact opposite. For the good of the country, I can't call it good.
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:48 AM   #18
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The new guy who should have a target on his back as far as being responsible for the stalemate on the debt: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia.

Really, this guy belongs in the Knesset, not in the U.S. House of Representatives. Besides his disloyalty to the country on the debt issue, his support for Israel and opposition to Palestine is effectively the stuff for which we put Jonathan Pollard in jail several years ago.
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Blue --

Yes.
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